On November 30th 2010, An incident took place on Elite Smash Hackers that caused one of the best members that team ever had to leave. Aafyre is the member, And what happened was Aafyre was doing a nice job of keeping the team alive and active by posting lots of updates with consistently great hacks. But because the people in this community always have to complain about the stupidest of things, On the post for his Orochimaru hack some people complained that Aafyre was the only one updating the site. Yeah, Never mind the fact that Andsports, Moosehunter, And Razanak7 all had updates in between Aafyre’s updates. Since It conveniences these people to ignore those updates, They did. And I must say, Complaining about one person updating is an extremely stupid thing to do to begin with. I mean If just one person updated and their content wasn’t good, I can understand. But Aafyre’s content is good. Damn good. What’s wrong with you people? So I decided to defend the team since I was a member after all, And give these people a piece of my mind. For the sake of accuracy, I’m going to quote what I said:
“There’s more important things in life than Brawl hacking ya fuckin’ losers. That’s why we haven’t been updating like Aafyre has. Most of Elite Smash Hackers is ether at school or dealing with a real life issue that leaves them unable to hack. What the fuck are we supposed to do? Put aside what’s more important just to please you? We bust our asses trying to keep the site updated while still dealing with whatever more important life distractions there are, And this is the ‘Support’ we get? Jesus fucking Christ! Even when we’re constantly giving you guys good content you always have to bitch about something. Talk about ungrateful.”
Now I don’t know what’s wrong with that comment, Because I was only speaking the truth. Video game hacking is a hobby, Which means that you focus on It when you have free time, And when you don’t have free time you focus on what’s more important. Now I thought I would get support from my comment since in the past the same thing has been said numerous times in different ways. But Aafyre misinterpreted my comment and thought I was implying that he has no life. I told him that I was just making the point that Brawl hacking is just a hobby and that I had no intention of making such implications. And that should have been the end of It, But leave It to an arrogant, pretentious, asshole from the Kitty Corp. Meow Mix “Spread the hate” Family thread named ItalianStallion to start drama. He said: “Well first of let me just say that I never come to this dead ass site anymore due to the fact that the only person who updates now is Aafyre. I can see his stuff over at KC MM or at LST anyway.
Now let me just say this, those of you who are still on the team and have no time because ‘life and school’ or ‘because your computer is broken’ but you have time to lurk and come here to talk shit about someone else that has more talent than you is really fucking pathetic, let me tell you.
Just because you never learned how to use 3DMAX and your hacks are so boring, not interesting, or worth posting, you’re gonna hate on this guy? Fucking ridiculous.
PS: A copy pasta vagina on a video game character does not count as an interesting hack. Being an old man just makes it even more pathetic.”
Aafyre told him that he didn’t have a problem with what I said and that he wanted everyone to calm down. But he didn’t get his wish as StarWaffle of all people decided to butt in as well.
“oh wow… um you know this is a brawl hacking website, right? And you are getting upset because people expect brawl hacks on here. You just made me lose all respect for… you aren’t suppose to treat fans like that… If you don’t want people to want you to post brawl hacks, go start your own blog and name it ‘PAVGN has a life da herp de derp de derp’ and then you can post what ever you want and not have to worry about people wanting brawl hacks that you are not ‘obligated’ to make. You are aloud to be busy, but don’t go insulting the poeple who support this site by coming here to look at all the stuff people on this team make..
Even if you didn’t mean to insult Aafyre in your post, you most clearly did. That was very rude of you.”
I responded to both of them starting with ItalianStallion:
“‘Well first of let me just say that I never come to this dead ass site anymore…’
Well people who consider any team that isn’t Kitty Corp. Meow Mix to be ‘dead’ can go fuck themselves. So…Fuck you.
‘Now let me just say this, those of you who are still on the team and have no time because ‘life and school’ or ‘because your computer is broken’ but you have time to lurk and come here to talk shit about someone else that has more talent than you is really fucking pathetic, let me tell you.’
Well since you’re obviously too stupid to realize this, Posting a comment every once in a while on a post or on a forum only takes a few minutes or even less. Making a hack, Especially complex ones like vertex hacks, Can take days, Maybe even weeks or months to complete. If you can’t realize the difference, You’re an idiot.
‘Just because you never learned how to use 3DMAX and your hacks are so boring, not interesting, or worth posting…’
Oh yeah, Because your re-colors of other peoples work are so much more interesting than some of the stuff I’ve made. Yeah, ‘Matrix Geno’ and ‘Matrix Mewtwo’. Those are real interesting and not at all boring.
‘PS: A copy pasta vagina on a video game character does not count as an interesting hack.’
That’s because you’re a faggot. You have to be straight to have an interest in pussy.”
Now this guy comes on ESH talking tough, Acting like he’s all that, Flaming us. And what is his response to me?
“Am I really suppose to care what some old man who beats off to videogame characters thinks of me? Haha, don’t make me laugh, fucking loser.”
Yeah, He’s a MAN! He doesn’t care what I think, As his complete lack of a well thought out rebuttal to my scathing response clearly shows. He obviously does care what I think because If he didn’t, He wouldn’t have felt the need to go against what I originally said in the first place. By the way you gotta love his “Beating off to video game characters” comment, As If It actually matters to anything. And I know that being called an “Old man” is supposed to be insulting, But the way he uses It here just makes It sound like he really thinks that I actually am an old man.
So lets move on to my response to StarWaffle: “You know It’s really hypocritical of you to say that after you made a post on this site called ‘I like to copy BigSharkZ’ in which you described yourself in great personal detail. Oh, And guess what? You’re not the owner of this blog, BigSharkZ is. Everybody runs things their own way. If you don’t like how someone runs things ether start your own blog (Which you already have) or keep your mouth shut. Also, People that talk about us that way aren’t our ‘fans’ And even If they are, They can kiss my fuckin’ ass all the same. Just because they’re fans doesn’t mean they aren’t behaving like assholes.
I also fail to see how I ‘clearly’ insulted Aafyre since not only did I not post with the intent to insult him, I didn’t even say anything to or about him in a blatant or subtle way.”
A good response, But It could have been better. I should have said: “First of all, What the fuck do posts about peoples personal lives have anything to do with what I said? Nowhere did I mention personal posts, And we haven’t had them in a very long time. Personal posts have nothing to do with what I said. Second, That’s very hypocritical of you to say that after making a post here called ‘I like to copy BigSharkZ’ in which you described yourself and your life in great personal detail. And I never claimed to have a life, I only defend people who do have lives against people who complain about said people having lives. And people who talk about us like this aren’t our ‘fans’, And even If they are, That doesn’t mean they aren’t behaving like assholes.
And I must ask, How did I insult Aafyre when I didn’t even post with the intent to insult him, I didn’t even say anything to or about him in a blatant or subtle way, And Aafyre said he was ok with what I said after I explained that to him?”
Now that would have been a much better response to his comment. Not that It matters because look at his response to my comment:
“oops shouldn’t of posted publicly…”
“…my bad Aafyre, didn’t mean to muk up your post. I cannot take my comment back (someone delete it please) please don’t anyone else comment on it “
Yes, He wants his post deleted and he wants us to forget about It because he can’t talk shit AND back It up. And this is pretty much It folks, This is one of the main reasons why I continue to make such controversial comments. Because most of the time I get people going against me, But not actually saying anything to prove what I say wrong. Word of advice people, If you’re going to go against what someone else says, Ether back up what you say or admit when you’re wrong. Don’t wuss out and shut up after someone points out the flaws and inconsistencies in what you say. If you want me to shut up, Then prove me wrong! Don’t just go against what I say, And then back out once I respond. Or go against what I say, But then not make any actual points or arguments against what I said. That is called disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing, And It’s stupid.
Now before I move on, I have some other things I need to explain about myself. Generally speaking, I only insult others who insult me (Or my friends, etc.) first. I don’t start drama, Drama starts because of over sensitive God damn fucking pussies throwing a hissy fit over what I say. Nothing I say, No matter how insulting, Is meant to be taken personally. If I really do have something against you, Believe me, I’ll let you know. I only make general statements that apply to everyone. If someone pisses me off and they aren’t insulting, Then I won’t be insulting (Or at least I’ll try my best to not be insulting ). I will also tone down the harshness of my comments If I have a certain amount of respect for the person I am replying to. That’s why my response to StarWaffle wasn’t as harsh as what I said to ItalianStallion. I also won’t be as much of a jerk about certain topics If they come up during a natural conversation. So bottom line, If you don’t want me to insult you, Don’t give me a reason to. Now If anybody reading this decided not to over look or ignore any of that, Hopefully you’ll have a better understanding of me and how I work, And we can move on.
So the next day, _Data_Drain_, Who had previously posted a comment I agreed with, Decided to say: “PAVGN… Just, shut up, please, that was low to bring someone’s sexuality into a flame war…”
Oh yes, And It was very high of ItalianStallion to start a flame war in the first place right?
“And another thing, I much prefer recolors, to two second copy and paste jobs. -_-;”.
I believe what you meant to say was: “I prefer recolors over nude hacks, Because I too am a sensitive homosexual”. Don’t you just love how these anti-human body people act like they know just how much time and effort It takes to make a nude hack, When they have absolutely no idea? They act like all nude hacks are the same and that It only takes little to no time and effort to make nude hacks. As If nude hacks are somehow different from other hacks in that way. I’ve got news for you people, Nude hacks are not in any way different from any other hack. They do not all take 20 seconds to make like you people seem to think they do. The quality of a nude hack is dictated by who makes It, And how much effort that person puts into making It. Just like any other hack.
But anyway, ESH team member darkshadedx was fed up with all the pointless drama and basically said that everyone on the team tries to keep hacks coming, The people who stop visiting the site are the only ones losing out, And that anymore comments continuing the drama will be deleted by him. Now you would think that after that the drama would stop right? Wrong. Another ESH member Cuckoos decided to go against his own teammate’s wishes, And tells me “shut the fuck up”…And that’s It. Yeah, That’s literally all he said. His comment was quickly deleted. But really, Going against your teammate’s “Stop all this pointless drama” request just so you can show dissatisfaction with something I said? That’s pathetic. But that was nothing compared to the sheer amount of stupidity of what happened next.
This guy that I’ve never even heard of before named Lotice decides to post a long comment trying to scold me for what I said:
“PAVGN, you are a DICK.”
And by saying that you are totally NOT being a dick yourself right?
“There’s just no other words.”
Oh really? Because I can think of plenty.
“You insult your own fans”
No, I insult people like you who make idiotic remarks and people who insult me.
“You insult Aafyre by implying several times he’s putting hacking before what’s really important”
And you’re an idiot for saying that when I’ve already explained that that’s not what I did, Aafyre understood that that’s not what I did when I explained that to him, And I didn’t even mention Aafyre subtly or blatantly, By name or otherwise.
“You insult some ESH or former ESH members because they dared contradict you.”
What are you stupid? (Do I really have to ask?) I didn’t insult anybody on the team or former members. You mean StarWaffle? Well, If you actually read my comment directed at StarWaffle, You would have seen that I didn’t actually insult him. In fact, Even in this post when I say what I should have said I didn’t insult him. Learn to actually read before you make your claims. And If you’re referring to me saying It was hypocritical of him to say what he said, That wasn’t insulting, That was telling the truth. And the truth is, It was hypocritical of him to say that after what he had done in the past, There’s no two ways about that.
“You insult Italian’s sexuality without even knowing anything about it. How LOW can you get ?”
Oh grow up! You act like insulting someone’s sexuality is the worst thing someone could say, When really there’s much worse that could have said. In fact I probably already have said worse things in this post.
“You insult the whole community by always complaining and giving lessons about how people should act, when yourself, you do NOTHING !”
This one sentence is full of flaws. First of all, If complaining is bad, And you’re complaining about my complaining, Then that makes you a hypocrite. And I don’t “Give lessons about how people should act”, I talk about things as they are. I am just a social commentator, Describing things as I see them, Based on my personal observations. And how stupid do you have to be to say I do nothing when in fact, I have made over 250 hacks? And If I did nothing, Then I wouldn’t even be here and nobody would be saying anything about me. I wouldn’t be worth talking about If I did nothing because people who do nothing are not worth talking about. Earlier you said I insult my fans which implies that I have fans. I wouldn’t have fans If I did nothing. Finally, I haven’t even seen your name, Let alone even heard of you before you posted that comment and It’s safe to assume that you haven’t even made any hacks ether. So that means…YOU are actually the one who’s done nothing. That’s another hypocritical statement you made. In fact, I’m just going to count every hypocritical statement you make because you’re just that much of a hypocrite. So that’s 2 so far. Actually, Calling me a dick and then talking to me this way makes It 3.
“What are you even doing in a dozen of teams at once ? You can’t even do enough to keep a single one alive !”
Oh God, This stupid crap again. Another person who thinks that being on more than one team is a bad thing. I’ve already explained on multiple occasions why this is stupid. But obviously It didn’t sink in yet, So I have to explain It again. Every site has something different to offer. So If the same things pop up in the same places every once in a while, Then It shouldn’t be a problem. That’s like saying “I don’t see the point in eating cheeseburgers at a fancy restaurant because I can eat cheeseburgers at Burger King”. And I must state again that Brawl hacking is a hobby, And It’s when people like you start having overly serious attitudes about teams like this that It stops being fun, And starts to feel more like a chore, Because you’re basically saying “My way of how Brawl hacking works is the ONLY way Brawl hacking works, And you’re wrong for doing things differently”. Which brings me to state again that real life is more important than Brawl hacking, And when more important life distractions happen more frequently, You have less free time to make hacks, Therefore It’s harder to update frequently. But of course you wouldn’t understand that because you’ve never made any hacks before or been on a team. And If you had actually done any research beforehand, You would have know that I stated long ago that I would update only on Stack Smash for awhile because they needed help, And I have in fact been able to keep the site alive, Which was hard to do since I was almost the only person updating.
“And you dare talk down on people ?”
…What… the hell? You’re scolding me for “Talking down to people”, Yet you are talking down to me yourself right now. That’s hypocritical statement number 4. And I don’t talk down to people, I point out the flaws in what people say.
“You dare give us lessons on how people need to spend their time, update, and wait for hacks ?”
Translation: “How dare you tell people to actually have lives, And focus on what’s more important in life?! If you’re gonna hack Brawl, Your going to have to spend your WHOLE LIFE hacking Brawl and keep making hacks for us. Yeah, Forget about collage! Forget about getting a job! Forget about following your dreams! Spend your whole life hacking Brawl! That’s the way to live.”
It may be hard to believe, But we actually do have people that think It’s wrong to have a life outside of your hobbies. These same people also believe that the fans shouldn’t be patient about waiting for something that they aren’t helping themselves get. “Yeah, Fuck being patient! I want more hacks NOW!” Because having endurance while waiting for something you want without acting in a negative way is bad, According to these people.
“You won’t even try and apologize for anything.”
Apologize for what? For speaking my mind? I already said I don’t insult others unless I’m insulted first. Has anybody tried to apologize to me? If they’re not sorry, I’m not sorry. I’m not going to apologize for believing what I believe, Speaking my mind or being myself. And I’m pretty sure you’re not going to apologize to me for what you said, Which will make this yet another hypocritical statement If you don’t.
“The only thing you can do is keep flaming other persons.”
The words of a person who completely ignores all the points I make in my comments. Also at this point I’ll be repeating myself to the point where I’m being overly redundant. But I’m pretty sure that no-one payed attention the first 100 times I said It, And I’m pretty everyone will ignore It when I say It this time. But, Once again…I don’t flame others unless I’m flamed first. So naturally If someone keeps flaming me I’m going to keep flaming them. By the way I just thought of something: Why is It that when other people flame me It’s ok, Yet when I flame other people back, I’m the one who’s wrong? It’s certainly a question worth answering, Because there seems to be a double standard in effect here. But anyway getting back to me repeating myself again, The things I say even when I make personal insults are not meant to be taken personally, But rather are general statements that apply to everyone. You claim also seems to imply that my response consist only of flaming when in actually, I actually make points and arguments against what is said to me. The only time my responses are only flames is when the original comment directed at me is nothing but flaming. But I try to ignore that most of the time.
“Exactly why are you calling yourself a “Politically Aware” Video Game Nerd, again ?”
And what does my name have anything to do with what’s being said here?
“You can’t even use a proper form of language without swearing like a trooper.”
And once again, This one sentence is full of stupid flaws. In the first place, There is no such thing as “Bad language”. Bad Language is a bullshit idea, Because words are just words. The only meaning words have are the meanings we give them. If you ask somebody who doesn’t like bad words why they are bad words, They’ll say because of their meaning. But If I say “What the fuck are you talking about?” That has nothing to do with sex, But you don’t want me to say that anyway. So It IS the word that they don’t like, And not the ideas behind them. All of this comes from religion. Religion is at the seat of this, Because If you look at all the bad words we have, They all involve sex acts, Sexual parts of the body, And parts of the body that engage in bathroom activities. And religion certainly sees the human body as a sinful tool that can be used in sinful ways, So religion also teaches us to be afraid and ashamed of the human body. Which is why we have people who freak out over nude hacks, But that’s another subject. The point is: Bad language is bullshit. What do you think you’re better than me? Above me just because I use common words that lots of other people use? You started this paragraph calling me a dick, Which makes this another hypocritical statement you’ve made.
“Go away, man. Just go away.”
I’ll go away when I’m dead. If you want me to leave so bad, Then kill me.
“ED was right after all … you truly ARE and have always been the most noticeable troll in this community.”
ED? As in Encyclopedia Dramatica? Ahh, So that explains why you make such stupid statements. You go on Encyclopedia Dramatica and actually believe what they say is real. Encyclopedia Dramatica is a “Satirical” website that is a parody of Wikipedia. Almost every article there about someone is talking about them in a negative way, And they exaggerate the negative “For The Lulz”. Their about page says “expect blatant, biased lies, and expect boring truths to get deleted quickly.” The site is obviously not meant to be taken seriously. You have to be an idiot to believe anything that Miacis has to say about me, But you’d have to be an even bigger idiot to believe anything that Encyclopedia Dramatica says at all. Try getting your information from reliable sources before you talk down to people while at the same time scolding them for talking down to others.
The last part of his paragraph is just him telling BigSharkZ to remove me from the team, And he calls me a “insulting, drama-causing … thing”. You gotta love the way he dehumanizes me by calling me a thing. With all of the hypocritical statements he made, His biggest hypocrisy is posting his comment in the first place. Because he talks about how bad I am, Yet he is no better than me for what he is saying, Despite him acting like he’s better than me. In fact, I’d actually say he’s a little worse because as much as I dislike certain people in this community, I at least have the decency to acknowledge them as human beings when addressing them.
Now that I’m done dealing with him let’s move on what BigSharkZ said: “PAVGN, you need to calm down sometimes. Even if the person who flames you is the biggest retard ever, learn to deal with it, or at the very least, ignore it. My father taught me this: If someone is wrong, that you are right, and that the person consists on saying that he/she is right, then do not try to argue, just say that the person is right and leave him/her alone. I didn’t agree with him at first, but it makes sense. To me, I would rather avoid pointless fighting than to argue for hours.”
Well BigSharkZ, You may think It’s better to not respond when people are wrong, But not me. If someone is wrong about something, I have no problem with telling them and others just how wrong they are about It, Especially If what they’re saying is supposed to be regarded as true. I think people who say you shouldn’t respond when someone confronts you just to avoid an argument are cowards, Because they’re not doing this to avoid drama, They’re doing this so they don’t have to do something they don’t want to do, Because they are afraid of confrontation. Not me, As long as there’s people going against me, I’m always going to fight back against them. That’s not going to change. As much as I would love to not have all these pointless fights and drama and actually enjoy my hobby, I’m not going to keep my mouth shut If I’m involved in a confrontation. And pretty sure that If this post receives a lot of attention, It’ll only start more drama. Which is unfortunate, But like I said, If I can prove someone wrong, I’m going to do It. Also, If me ignoring the people who piss me off is the solution to my problem, Then the people who are offended by what I say ignoring what I say is the solution to their problem. If they can’t ignore what I say, Then I’m not going to ignore what they say ether.
I would also at this point like to address something else involving BigSharkZ and me. As you’ve probably noticed I am no longer a member of Elite Smash Hackers. This is obviously because of the drama that took place, But BigSharkZ lied to me and said that It was because I wasn’t active on the site anymore. BigSharkZ also removed me without trying to talk to me about It first or even giving me a warning of some kind. Removing me without talking It over with me first was an extremely selfish and hasty thing to do, But it doesn’t matter anymore. With Aafyre gone, Him removing me is only going to hurt the team, Not me. Because now with him gone, I would have worked extra hard to make sure that I could keep Elite Smash Hackers updated like I used to back when I was new. If BigSharkZ doesn’t want my help anymore, Then I’m not going to give It to him. It’s his team’s loss, Not mine.
Finally, I must address something that was said by Miacis. Miacis thankfully didn’t post a 500 page essay this time, Which allows my response to be quick and simple:
“Maybe I don’t really have my word in this, but really … I know he’s your friend, but right here, he’s the one who started the flaming.”
This is basically just Miacis not realizing that ItalianStallion was the one who started the flaming, And not me. All I did was support my (Ex)teammates by explaining that most of them have more important things going on in their personal lives and that they don’t appreciate It when people complain despite the fact that we do everything we can to make the “Fans” happy. ItalianStallion is the one who came here flaming us, Calling us dead and everything. So maybe If Miacis wasn’t against me to the point where It clouded his views, He could see who was the one who really started the flaming.
“People mentionning the fact Aafyre has been the only one to update ESH as of late wasn’t asking for the answer he gave.”
Actually they were. Because had they actually come to the site when Andsports Moosehunter and Razanak7 updated, They would have known that Aafyre wasn’t the only person updating. Although I’ll admit that It probably would have been better for me to mention that in my comment.
“And the remarks toward Italian and StarWaffle were really uncalled for. No matter how insulted PAVGN felt.”
So according to Miacis, It’s uncalled for to insult someone when they come to your site just to flame you. And StarWaffle? Really? I suggest you go back and reread what I said to StarWaffle, Because It wasn’t nearly as bad as what I said to ItalianStallion.
“People don’t come here (or on Stack Smash) to recieve insults to their face.”
No, Instead they come here to complain and insult others. But If someone insults those people back, They’re the ones who are wrong.
What It basically comes down to is this: Miacis is so full of himself that he will never think that anything says or does is wrong. His ego is so overblown that he dilutes himself to think he’s actually as great as he says he is when really he’s no better than anyone else. Which also makes him a hypocrite since he’s always telling me to listen to what others have to say and not think so highly of myself, Yet he isn’t willing to do that himself.
There is one last thing I must mention: In Aafyre’s last post he explained that he was leaving because of the drama that happened in the post I just talk about. Razanak7 posted a very good, Very true comment about It, And part of what he said was: “The internet is full of the worst kinds of people imaginable, and they have no problem with showing it.”
Now leave It to a hater of mine to try and start drama again in the post explaining that drama is the reason why Aafyre left. Here’s _Data_Drain_ once again saying: “Too bad one of those worst people are a part of this team…”
It’s obvious who he’s talking about.
I really can’t respond to this without being rude. So for now, His comment will simply act as an example of just how conceited and pretentious my haters are. They act like they’re so much better than me, When they’re not. Which is hypocritical of them to do when they exhibit behavior that would make them angry If I did it.
Well, That’s all I have to say about that for now. I know It might be pointless to talk about an incident after so much time has past since It happened. But as I mentioned earlier, I feel It’s important to say what I believe and stand up for myself. And I’m not going to stop doing that for as long as I live.